Comments for veryness.com http://veryness.com Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:50:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 Comment on McCain wants to kill babies by Nathan Clark http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-243 Nathan Clark Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:25:49 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-243 I can't find anything on when Obama definitely thinks life begins. But at the Saddleback forum, Obama glibly answered the question of when life begins with <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/17/se.01.html&usg=AFQjCNHBT5GZy7B5W0df9MmZOqAkWak0-g" rel="nofollow">"[it's] above my pay grade."</a> It was a lame way to answer such an important question, but coupled with his many references to "pre-viable" fetuses in the discussions, it's most likely he pegs the beginning of personhood around the time a baby can survive outside the womb. I can’t find anything on when Obama definitely thinks life begins.
But at the Saddleback forum, Obama glibly answered the question of when life begins with “[it’s] above my pay grade.” It was a lame way to answer such an important question, but coupled with his many references to “pre-viable” fetuses in the discussions, it’s most likely he pegs the beginning of personhood around the time a baby can survive outside the womb.

]]> Comment on McCain wants to kill babies by Rob http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-238 Rob Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:45:39 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-238 Ahhh... Interesting. I see. I missed the point of the post. Has Obama or his campaign said that they don't believe that life starts at conception? Ahhh… Interesting. I see. I missed the point of the post. Has Obama or his campaign said that they don’t believe that life starts at conception?

]]> Comment on McCain wants to kill babies by peter http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-237 peter Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:25:00 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-237 Rob - did you miss this part of the post? <blockquote>But for McCain to support embryonic stem cell research while believing that blastocysts are people, with full personhood, allows for only two conclusions...</blockquote> The point is that, while their stances on embryonic stem cell research ARE very similar, McCain believes they are lives at that point. Obama doesn't. That makes McCain's stance really scary... Rob - did you miss this part of the post?

But for McCain to support embryonic stem cell research while believing that blastocysts are people, with full personhood, allows for only two conclusions…

The point is that, while their stances on embryonic stem cell research ARE very similar, McCain believes they are lives at that point. Obama doesn’t. That makes McCain’s stance really scary…

]]> Comment on McCain wants to kill babies by Rob http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-236 Rob Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:02:09 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-236 So I have read (some in detail, some not so much) the links you have posted above. I fail to see how you draw the conclusion to McCain alone. I don't see why the title shouldn't be called "McCain <em>and Obama</em> want to kill babies," as they both seem to hold very similar positions regarding stems cell research. Take from the <a href="http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42#8" rel="nofollow">Science Debate</a>: Obama's stance I strongly support expanding research on stem cells. I believe that the restrictions that President Bush has placed on funding of human embryonic stem cell research have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations. As president, I will lift the current administration’s ban on federal funding of research on embryonic stem cell lines created after August 9, 2001 through executive order, and I will ensure that all research on stem cells is conducted ethically and with rigorous oversight. McCain's stance While I support federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, I believe clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress. Moreover, I believe that recent scientific breakthroughs raise the hope that one day this debate will be rendered academic. I also support funding for other research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research which hold much scientific promise and do not involve the use of embryos. I oppose the intentional creation of human embryos for research purposes and I voted to ban the practice of “fetal farming,” making it a federal crime for researchers to use cells or fetal tissue from an embryo created for research purposes. They seem awfully similar to me. What do you think? So I have read (some in detail, some not so much) the links you have posted above. I fail to see how you draw the conclusion to McCain alone. I don’t see why the title shouldn’t be called “McCain and Obama want to kill babies,” as they both seem to hold very similar positions regarding stems cell research.

Take from the Science Debate:
Obama’s stance
I strongly support expanding research on stem cells. I believe that the restrictions that President Bush has placed on funding of human embryonic stem cell research have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations. As president, I will lift the current administration’s ban on federal funding of research on embryonic stem cell lines created after August 9, 2001 through executive order, and I will ensure that all research on stem cells is conducted ethically and with rigorous oversight.
McCain’s stance
While I support federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, I believe clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress. Moreover, I believe that recent scientific breakthroughs raise the hope that one day this debate will be rendered academic. I also support funding for other research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research which hold much scientific promise and do not involve the use of embryos. I oppose the intentional creation of human embryos for research purposes and I voted to ban the practice of “fetal farming,” making it a federal crime for researchers to use cells or fetal tissue from an embryo created for research purposes.

They seem awfully similar to me. What do you think?

]]> Comment on McCain wants to kill babies by Nathan Clark http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-235 Nathan Clark Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:39:13 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-235 Hey Rob - great question. I've added links above that I'll repost here: http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42 http://www.johnmccain.com/actioncenter/print.aspx?r=628776b7-e0dd-478f-b554-2757666018ab&t=ceb20ad6-f634-43ef-aedd-f5b59c4e02d7 http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=BCBA48B1-DFA7-4A5D-9FC7-0D8DF5B415BF That's not a sum total of the links, just some of the more clear examples of his belief. You may need to search for "embryonic" to find the relevant quotes, etc. Hey Rob - great question. I’ve added links above that I’ll repost here:
http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42
http://www.johnmccain.com/actioncenter/print.aspx?r=628776b7-e0dd-478f-b554-2757666018ab&t=ceb20ad6-f634-43ef-aedd-f5b59c4e02d7
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=BCBA48B1-DFA7-4A5D-9FC7-0D8DF5B415BF

That’s not a sum total of the links, just some of the more clear examples of his belief. You may need to search for “embryonic” to find the relevant quotes, etc.

]]> Comment on McCain wants to kill babies by Rob http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-234 Rob Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:36:31 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/11/03/mccain-wants-to-kill-babies/#comment-234 <blockquote>But part of his beliefs veers off course from the pro-life orthodoxy. McCain supports embryonic stem cell research through his policies, advocacy and Senate votes.</blockquote> Will/Can you please substantiate this claim?

But part of his beliefs veers off course from the pro-life orthodoxy. McCain supports embryonic stem cell research through his policies, advocacy and Senate votes.

Will/Can you please substantiate this claim?

]]> Comment on Nikon has just astonished me by peter http://veryness.com/2008/08/27/nikon-has-just-astonished-me/#comment-233 peter Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:56:59 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/08/27/nikon-has-just-astonished-me/#comment-233 agreed, fantastic. agreed, fantastic.

]]> Comment on Nikon has just astonished me by Aaron http://veryness.com/2008/08/27/nikon-has-just-astonished-me/#comment-232 Aaron Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:24:30 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/08/27/nikon-has-just-astonished-me/#comment-232 Choke on it Canon users! Choke on it Canon users!

]]> Comment on Laser Cats! by Cat Advice http://veryness.com/2008/04/07/laser-cats/#comment-231 Cat Advice Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:13:40 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/04/07/laser-cats/#comment-231 I really liked this post, I agree with you completely! I really liked this post, I agree with you completely!

]]> Comment on Fill in the blank: The Olympics is a global ____ celebration by peter http://veryness.com/2008/08/13/fill-in-the-blank-the-olympics-is-a-global-____-celebration/#comment-230 peter Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:15:47 +0000 http://veryness.com/2008/08/13/fill-in-the-blank-the-olympics-is-a-global-____-celebration/#comment-230 That was interesting. On the opposite end of your point, the big guns are turning out some great stuff too. I really liked this Nike ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligANxVEN14 That was interesting.

On the opposite end of your point, the big guns are turning out some great stuff too. I really liked this Nike ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligANxVEN14

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